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The pope is sorry for saying that it is wrong use religion as an excuse for violence? Or for quoting the 'Byzantine emperor' characterizing the use of violence to spread Mohammedism as 'evil'?

The funny part, of course, is that Islam reacts, predictably, with violence. Yawn.

Interestingly, none of the media bits I've seen name the 'Byzantine Emperor' or repeat the quote. Anyone have better information? I'd be interested to read the original remarks for myself rather than just accepting the media-predigested pap.

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bistet
Sep. 17th, 2006 12:25 am (UTC)
The Emperor was Manual II Palaiologos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_II_Palaeologus

and the current-day editor of the text of the letters written by Palaiologos is Adel Theodore Khoury, but I can't find the name of the book Khoury edited or any text.

here's an interesting London Times article http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2359816,00.html
bxiie
Sep. 19th, 2006 12:00 am (UTC)
Cool, thanks.

The TinmesOnLine article sounds like it's not sure which way it should go.
fr_defenestrato
Sep. 18th, 2006 07:19 pm (UTC)
bistet beat me to the emperor, but here's the quote, from the news.bbc.co.uk:

Stressing that they were not his own words, he quoted Emperor Manual II Paleologos of the Byzantine Empire, the Orthodox Christian empire which had its capital in what is now the Turkish city of Istanbul.

'The emperors [sic!] words were, [da pope] said: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

'Benedict said "I quote" twice to stress the words were not his and added that violence was "incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul".'

Not to split hairs, but it's worth noting that the pope did not apologize for quoting Manual II-P, but for hurting people's feelings. He never made any actual retraction or apology for the content of the quote.

And you're right, of course, about the response: "We're SO not evil, we'll kill a nun to prove it!" Fucking assholes. Still, if it's true (as claimed in the London Times article bistet cited) that Benedict believes there's no hope of reform for Islam, that's mighty unfortunate... The book RK loaned me, The Trouble with Islam Today by Irshad Manji, is in effect one long, impassioned plea for reform in Islam; if no such reform occurs--if mainstream Middle Eastern Islam continues to be dominated by fundamentalist violence-mongering thought-police--we're eventually looking at world war to put the fuckers down.
bxiie
Sep. 19th, 2006 12:10 am (UTC)
Thank goodness the pope did not apologize.

I'm wondering if the pope sees himself as a martyr.

As to reform, it would be as if the rest of the world were apologists for the idiot hard-right Christians (them of the abortion clinic bombings and what have you) instead of correctly condemning such factions. There would be little hope of fixing the issue, eh? As long as our MSM and PC-elites find excuses for these behaviors, Islam will have no impetus to reform.

I read a quote this evening about the new Maddonna concert tour where 'Madonna, wearing a gittered crown of thorns, descends on a suspended mirrored, disco ball-type cross singing her hit 'Live To Tell.' (Drudge) I ask myself, where are the riots? Where are the Virgin Superstore bombings? Where is the outrage?

Of course, we as secularists are trained to hate the Christianity of our ancestors while enjoying Islam as a quaint custom to be protected as 'Diversity'.

Yeesh.
rabidkitten
Sep. 19th, 2006 07:03 pm (UTC)
Too true
if mainstream Middle Eastern Islam continues to be dominated by fundamentalist violence-mongering thought-police--we're eventually looking at world war to put the fuckers down.




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