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Okay, show of hands.

Who *actually* watched the VP debate the other evening? Carefully chosen and predigested snippets on the news don't count.

Second question... Who *actually* watched the Presidential debate?

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bistet
Oct. 7th, 2004 09:34 am (UTC)
I watched the prez debate from beginning to end. I missed about 20 minutes of the VP debate due to a phone call. I thought the questions Gwen gave at the VP debate were much better than Jim's. All in all a much better debate. I liked Cheney better than I thought I would, he handled personal questions about his daughter with class and aplomb.
bistet
Oct. 7th, 2004 09:36 am (UTC)
and, oh yeah...
I watched both Fox and CNN after the VP debate (unusual for me, I'm a Fox girl) and CNN was all over who gave the more accurate info and statistics: the winner was Cheney. Edwards gave incorrect info all over the place.
bxiie
Oct. 7th, 2004 11:37 am (UTC)
Re: and, oh yeah...
I was very pleasantly surprised at Gwen. She was way better than Jim and pitched pointedly tough questions at both candidates.

I also agree about liking Cheney more than I expected to. Edwards was pretty slimey and all he could do was repeat old canards about BUSH LIED and HALIBURTON. No substance. And what was it he was doing with his tongue, anyway? It really bugged me. I also liked the way he jumped into Cheney's statements and began his responses before prompted by Gwen. Yep, some presidential self-control going on there (although, in fairness, self-control does not seem to be on the list of requirements for democrat presidents).

One thing that I am surprised about the media's silence on (okay, not really). Edwards made it quite clear that he and Kerry are against gay marriage. He repeated several times that marriage is between a man and a woman. I would have thought that would be big news in our gay-marriage-proponent media, but apparently not.
bxiie
Oct. 7th, 2004 11:52 am (UTC)
Re: and, oh yeah...
Thinking about the last part... I guess he probably realized that only stodgy old conservatives would actually watch the VP debate, so that decided the plank-du-jour. Plus, that explains the remark about, "Well, Dick, your daughter's gay. What about that." I thought it was odd for Edwards to lob that easy pitch to Cheney; maybe he thought it would somehow reflect poorly oin the viewing demographic and no fear of his clear equal-but-separate posturing appearing in a sympathetic, adoring press.

I felt that Cheney pounded that pitch out of the park, FWIW. He handled the subject very tactfully, I thought, in a way I (socially liberal) could deal with that was still observant of the administration's policies.
timehole
Oct. 7th, 2004 09:59 am (UTC)
I didn't catch the VP debate, but I did watch the entire Presidential debate. THE ONION has Bush showing up for the debate wearing his fighter-pilot suit. Mission Accomplished!
bxiie
Oct. 7th, 2004 11:43 am (UTC)
Yes, but of course he didn't. Mushroom Accomodation!

The VP one was far more entertaining, I thought. At least Edwards is fun to watch... Not to make fun of the handicapped or anything.
peregrin8
Oct. 7th, 2004 12:06 pm (UTC)
Yes, but of course he didn't.

Aww, he didn't? Dang... I guess I need to stop getting all my news from theonion.
eloquentwthrage
Oct. 7th, 2004 01:43 pm (UTC)
No on both counts. And from what I've read about them here, it sounds like that was a good thing.
bxiie
Oct. 7th, 2004 01:56 pm (UTC)
Hate to see anything that might shake your convictions?
eloquentwthrage
Oct. 7th, 2004 04:29 pm (UTC)
I don't think it's possible that my convictions could be any more shaken by who and what we are today.
bistet
Oct. 7th, 2004 05:12 pm (UTC)
You would have liked the 1st Presidential debate, you could gloat about Kerry's smooth delivery and (possibly) reconcile his anti-defense record and pro-defense campaign talk.

Frankly, I'm amazed that many of the people I respect here on LJ (and in my real life) refuse to get good information and are blinded by the ABB disease. ABB is a mockery of democracy. If deep down in your heart you thought that Kerry could engage a broader coalition in Iraq and that raising taxes on small business owners is a good (and job creating) policy, then please vote for Kerry with honor and pride. ABB is below your intelligence.

Now, if you think that Kerry will be able to engage a broader coalition in Iraq - I suggest you start paying attention to the Oil for Food scandal. Alot of things, past and present, will start to make more sense and the idea of broader coalition, like the UN security council, is a joke. Saddam made the politicians and leaders of many of our "allies" very, very rich. THAT is why they refuse(d) to help, not because Bush is a church-going-right-wing-Texas-yahoo. It's been going on for years, Bush knew it, and I'm glad he said "fuck you" to the UN, now more than ever.
eloquentwthrage
Oct. 7th, 2004 09:26 pm (UTC)
Trying to rationalize won't help me. Don't take this the wrong way. I think they're all crooks and liars. I have no reason to trust or distrust any of them, nor do I think anything that any of them do or don't do is affected in the least by what I do, or don't do. The last four years have solidified that. If anyone sees it for anything else, I can't say I understand. Republicans, Democrats, Liberal, Conservative. They are all one, huge, ugly black monster, and the US is the creature's throne.
bistet
Oct. 8th, 2004 07:07 am (UTC)
"crooks and liars"
That pretty much sums up how I feel too. The battle of the silver spoons.

I also felt un-affecting, but that pretty much changed last election with things being so close. I'm ashamed to say I didn't vote, and maybe if others like me had voted things would be different. With record voter registration, I think this election is different.

So, I decided to vote educated this time and ignore my first instinct to ABB. New Jersey is an important state in this election, so please consider stepping back and looking at the big picture before picking one, huge, ugly black monster over the other. They are both against gay marriage and both for staying in Iraq until the job is done so you have nothing to loose by looking at other issues. Then, come Nov. 2nd, you will know did the best you could (for yourself - not for "America") when you vote.

Assuming you are going to vote....
eloquentwthrage
Oct. 8th, 2004 08:49 am (UTC)
Re: "crooks and liars"
Interesting assumption...
bistet
Oct. 8th, 2004 07:11 am (UTC)
show of hands
So far it looks like only bxiie and myself watched the VP debate, although we haven't heard from readherring. Not even Hamlet watched it, he was playing tennis.
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