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Oct. 13th, 2005

How do I ensure that New Orleans is not overrun by Mexican workers? - Ray Nagin

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/nation/12885256.htm

I think we can all agree that this would be a big deal if said by a white conservative?

Hey, George, do something about the illegal aliens, will you? It's becoming harder to keep buying the lie that illegals are good for our economy and only taking jobs no one else wants.

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eloquentwthrage
Oct. 13th, 2005 04:19 pm (UTC)
I see your point, but is it realistic to think that construction workers who generally make $20+ an hour are going to take half that for the Katrina relief efforts? That might qualify as a job that not many people want, if not no one. Not sure. Something in this (American) culture makes folks think it's better not to work at all than to work for less than your worth. It works both ways as well; generally, if an employer sees you are willing to work for less than you usually make, they question your worth immediately.

Stop making me think about stuff! My brain hurts already from Ulysses.
bxiie
Oct. 13th, 2005 05:00 pm (UTC)
I don't usually support unions, but I prefer a union worker to an illegal alien any day.

'In one public case last week, 75 union electricians held a news conference to show off their termination letters from a job site at the Louisiana National Guard's Naval Air Station in Belle Chasse, south of downtown New Orleans. They said a contractor had sent 120 immigrant workers from Houston to replace them. A spokesman for the Louisiana National Guard, Neal Martin, said he hadn't heard of any such incident.

Gary Warren, the political director for the Louisiana Regional Carpenters Council, said his group had begun receiving regular complaints from union members who'd been laid off by contractors and replaced with immigrant workers.'
eloquentwthrage
Oct. 13th, 2005 05:49 pm (UTC)
What if companies, because of the financial devastation caused by Katrina, can't afford to pay those workers, who aren't required by law to take less pay than their union requires?

Okay, it's fucked up either way.
bxiie
Oct. 13th, 2005 06:02 pm (UTC)
Um... The illegals may cost less to the employer but they create a much larger burden on society.
eloquentwthrage
Oct. 13th, 2005 06:04 pm (UTC)
My point: fucked up either way.
bxiie
Oct. 13th, 2005 06:08 pm (UTC)
No; more much more fucked up with the wink-wink support for illegal aliens. Free education for illegals = less resources for children of tax payers. Free health care for illegals = less resources and higher costs for tax payers. Lower paying jobs for illegals = lower wage standards for tax paying workers. Anything free for illegals = worse standard for tax payers.
bxiie
Oct. 13th, 2005 05:01 pm (UTC)
P.S., thinking is good for you. If you run once a year, running a mile hurts. If you run every day, a mile is nothing. Not that I run at all, of course.
eloquentwthrage
Oct. 13th, 2005 05:46 pm (UTC)
I know. I've been thinking about running forever. Never done anything about it. Hurts to run. So much.
rozebud
Oct. 13th, 2005 05:36 pm (UTC)
I just knew suspending the prevailing wage laws would work out well! Hey - some rich folks are getting richer, and that's what America is all about!

Thanks for the link to yet another tragic tale in this ongoing nightmare.
bxiie
Oct. 13th, 2005 06:05 pm (UTC)
Let's just enforce the laws, okay? Let's give the jobs to people with a legal right to be in the country. If no one will do them, employers will be forced to pay more for the job. If the contractors are firing legal workers and replacing them with illegals who will happily undermine the wages for legal residents, lets punish the enablers and deport the illegals.
rozebud
Oct. 13th, 2005 06:13 pm (UTC)
Let's just enforce the laws, okay?

Well, yeah. That SHOULD be a given. But the reason this is happening is because SOMEONE is profiting, probably quite nicely.
rozebud
Oct. 13th, 2005 06:14 pm (UTC)
Edit to add: Profiting nicely on the backs of displaced American workers and abused illegals. Sucks all around.
bxiie
Oct. 14th, 2005 01:15 am (UTC)
Sure. The mafia operates on the same principles. Doesn't make it right.
rozebud
Oct. 14th, 2005 02:50 pm (UTC)
Ah, but the mafia isn't holding hands with the gov't.
readherring
Oct. 13th, 2005 10:12 pm (UTC)
...
employers will be forced to pay more for the job

Only for jobs that can't be shipped overseas.
bxiie
Oct. 14th, 2005 01:11 am (UTC)
Re: ...
This, of course, being a case in point.
geckospot
Oct. 14th, 2005 01:11 am (UTC)
Re: ...
Can we ship New Orleans overseas?
readherring
Oct. 13th, 2005 10:10 pm (UTC)
WPA
It's also a big deal if it's said by a black democrat.

Anyway, what New Orleans needs is the Works Progress Administration. If we're goonna spend like Roosevelt, we might as well spend like Roosevelt.
bxiie
Oct. 14th, 2005 01:14 am (UTC)
Re: WPA
Okay, conceded on both points. Uh, I was out of the country when it was said. Yeah, that's it.

On the other hand, of course, I don't think we ought to be spending like Roosevelt, being a fiscal conservative and all.

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