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eloquentwthrage
Nov. 9th, 2004 08:42 am (UTC)
I attempted to make a comment to your last reply, but I'm not allowed to even look at that post anymore. Did I do something wrong? I thought we were having a decent discussion. Do you just not want to know what I have to say in response to your last comment?
bxiie
Nov. 9th, 2004 08:48 am (UTC)
I could put it back up; I've only made it private. I decided that I didn't care for the direction it had taken, specifically yours and my conversation. I felt expecially bad for what I think was essentially a personal attack on my part and did not care to slag you in front of our community.

I'm quite interested to hear your response, actually, and sort of assumed that this thread would be private between you and me at this point.

If you prefer, though, I will restore the conversation and we can continue in that forum.
eloquentwthrage
Nov. 9th, 2004 10:25 am (UTC)
That's okay. Perhaps you're right, and we should let it go. I'm really sorry we didn't talk at the marathon. It's sort of ironic that we can say so much here - often more than we probably should - yet didn't find time to hang there. I'd like to rectify that in the future.
rozebud
Nov. 9th, 2004 08:44 am (UTC)
America Lite!
bxiie
Nov. 9th, 2004 08:49 am (UTC)
Even more so; I haven't heard anyone in this government state the goal is to reduce abortion to zero. This sentiment has been attributed to Bush by the media hysterics, but (to my knowledge) he's never said that.
geckospot
Nov. 9th, 2004 07:55 pm (UTC)
hmm
what I got from the attached article is that Oz is going the way the US has where abortion issues are decided at the state/regional level. Kinda like Irish women going to England for the weekend. It might mean more inconvenience in the short term but in the long run at least they aren't caring for and/or neglecting another life.

I don't expect welfare to pick up every woman's abortion but there has to be something in the works to help the poor since abstination doesn't work.
rabidkitten
Nov. 10th, 2004 06:27 am (UTC)
Re: hmm
It is not just about paying for an abortion. It's about a welfare system where a women on welfare is encouraged to get pregnant. Her benefits go up immediately upon recieving the note of verification from the clinic doctor. Then she waits as long as possible before getting the free abortion(the federal gov. has paid for hundreds of partial birth abortions for this reason) so that she can collect the higher amount for longer. Sometimes resulting in a women collecting the rate for a "woman with child" for years without having children, just a string of abortions.

The power of Roe v Wade is that states cannot decide for themselves. Although I feel strongly about states rights, I also believe a young girl shouldn't die for her irresponsibilty. Roe protects young girls who cannot just go somewhere else for the weekend. What do I think about parental notification? I just don't know. But, I don't think the gov. should remove all natural consequences of irresponsibility, pat you on the back and say its okay, it's not your fault, we'll take care of you.
geckospot
Nov. 10th, 2004 07:28 am (UTC)
Yuck!
These people must have easier pregnancies. My morning sickness was enough to make that an unattractive process. Also, where do these people come up w/ these schemes to work the system? We take anti money laundering classes every year for compliance reasons and I am always amazed at the complexity of some of these schemes. I can't see how it's worth it but if you don't get caught apparently it pays off.
I certainly don't agree w/ lifelong welfare and multi-generation welfare either.

In all things balance.
Just got to find the middle ground.
rabidkitten
Nov. 10th, 2004 01:36 pm (UTC)
Re: Yuck!
I know! Yuck!

Speaking cynically...

Where do people learn it?

I'm starting to think that while some highschools are holding career planning days, others are hosting "how to work the system" days.

It's sad, it is wasting lives and talents.
geckospot
Nov. 10th, 2004 06:09 pm (UTC)
Leave 'em smiling
At the school meetings tonight we were discussing Thanksgiving donations for 2 known families in trouble. One is living in a hotel, mom w/ cancer, lost everything in a fire last year, started to rebuild and has now been hit by a tornado. This family has it rough.

The other family at least has a roof overhead and could cook a dinner if it's provided (which I'm voting for).

The lady in charge of the PTA meeting said she wanted to cry the 1st time a 6th grader's parole officer came to the school and then was telling (no names) about one boy whose hobby was carjacking (caught pretty regularly, but still a minor so...) because it paid better than any hourly job he could get.

On the plus side - the school newspaper came out today and Kay has 2 articles and is the major editor (since it was her idea last year anyway). And at the 1st mtg tonight we found a space in the school for a parent resource library/center and will be raiding closets next meeting to outfit it and we're all getting various pamphlets, books and ideas to fill it in. It'll get parents out of the main office and give them a chance to explore options they may not know about (various food banks, clothing closets, utility help, parenting skills, 1st time homebuyer stuff, etc.). We were very well pleased with the progress we made tonight. I'd like to hook up with the Spanish teacher. Seems like she's got a good parentnetwork going, including books in Spanish book club(not sure if that's generally a community thing or not but that's the feeling I get).
rabidkitten
Nov. 11th, 2004 05:31 am (UTC)
Re: Leave 'em smiling
"..one boy whose hobby was carjacking (caught pretty regularly, but still a minor so...) because it paid better than any hourly job he could get."

IMO, this kid stole because he felt entitled to do so, or didn't consider it wrong, or just thought it was fun. A sixth grader can't get a legal hourly wage job. You have to be 15 in DE to get a work permit, unless you work in a family business. I know many young folks who earn decent $$$ raking leaves, mowing lawns, shoveling snow, babysitting etc.

I know this won't go over well with some: it is more a matter of being taught strong moral values and personal responsibilty.
rabidkitten
Nov. 11th, 2004 05:36 am (UTC)
Re: Leave 'em smiling
Keep up the good work! It sound like your school is working hard to create a supportive community. The kids wear uniforms, right? I think that is really good, particularly when many of the students come from families that are struggling financially.

I'd love to read some of K's articles, if you have a chance to scan something. She is an excellent writer!

rabidkitten
Nov. 10th, 2004 01:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Parental notification
What do you think?
geckospot
Nov. 10th, 2004 06:20 pm (UTC)
Re: Parental notification
When I was a teen I took care of my own issues unless they were brought to my parents' attention by other people.

I would like to be notified by my child. No parent likes to be informed of issues by outside sources but I would like to know what's going on. If my child takes care of his/her own issues and deals well with it then so be it.

Life teaches everyone some tough lessons. It would be nice to be informed so I can at least run damage control (once the anger tempered itself, ya know!).

I'm such a fence sitter on this kind of thing. I see both sides entirely too easily. Personal responsibility is where I finally end up here. If you're old enough to do it then you're old enough to deal with the consequences.
bxiie
Nov. 10th, 2004 08:30 am (UTC)
Re: hmm
That is not the way the US is; Roe v. Wade protects the right to abortion at the federal level. Should Bush overturn Roe v. Wade through nominations to the supreme court or through other avenuses, then we would be in the same situation as Australia, with the decision left to the states.
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