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Nov. 12th, 2004

Ultimately, here is what I get from the fashionable blaming of Christians for the failures of the left.

Adolph Hitler rose from obscurity by blaming the jews for the treaty of Versailles. This treaty was a horrible burden on Germany, but it did result from the practices (and excesses) of the leaders of the Austro-Hungarian empire. Hitler obviously wouldn't gain any traction by blaming mom and dad, so he astutely exploited historical dislike of Jews to gain power for the National Socialist party and himself.

The left is clearly willing to blame the minority evangelicals for its current woes; the difference, of course, is that Christians, like it or not, do form the majority social class in this country, so much so that any candidate for higher office must publicly embrace Christianity. The liberals would like to blame their failure to explain and sell its platforms to the majority of Americans on the Christians, specifically the evangelicals. This will not work; the majority of Christians are moderates who bear little resemblence to the church of the inquisition. Any attempt by the far left to persecute the Christians, even the evangelicals, on the basis of religion will alienate the moderate Christians in both parties (not to mention, of course, those among the independent).

(I didn't see the Hillary Clinton speech the other day, although Rabid did. Apparently Hillary is telling people that they need to use the bible to help the poor and disadvantaged.)



Nov. 12th, 2004 07:55 pm (UTC)
Re: part two
Okay, so I agree that the Hitler comparison (analogy, rather) is overwrought; I was hoping someone would call me on Godwin's law.

Failure of the left; by this I mean the inability to produce a successful candidate.

Certainly the far-right is a gang of hostile kooks as far as theological issues are concerned. I accept that they do attack homosexuals. I certainly do not support any such idiocy. Does Laura Bush? Do the Cheneys? How do you know Bush does, except for his (admittedly pandering) attempt to reserve the use of a word to that of a historical usage?

Your refusal to accept that the majority of Christians are moderates is reasonable, but I think we agree, then, that neither one of us knows the true impact of religion on the election of Bush. By 'moderate Christians', I meant they accept that other ideologies have merit.

I do not think my statement forms a tautology. Shall I rephrase it? It appears that the vocal unhappy left would like to blame the failure to elect ABB on the fact that some huge number of intolerant Christians who would not ordinarily vote came to the polls, drawn by the goals of limiting homosexuality and abortion, overlooking the basic issue that they failed in the crucial task of voter outreach.

You question the persecution of Christians; please, Christians are marginalized in the media constantly. They are constantly the butt of jokes, the source of social tension and disunity.

Of course I agree that it is hurtful to read bogus crap about yourself; as a conservative, I get a little of this crap just from reading the papers. Certainly not to the level that homosexuals get this garbage at the hands of 'the church'. The church is a big place, though. Do you think the majority (or even a large minority) of churches in, say, Wilmington, have anti-gay stances? I've never heard anything anti-gay in a church I was attending, though I must admit it's been a few years since I've been in a church and, of course, the church I was going to was the Episcopalian; the church Henry the 8th founded when he decided it was too limiting to be a Catholic.

Frankly, I don't know anyone that has any kind of animosity towards homosexuals. I know few people with strong feelings about abortion, one way or the other, either. So that's what I base my world view on.

For what it's worth, I'm a registered independent. I didn't receive anything regarding the national election from either party. I guess my state's paltry number of votes means the Indies here don't count, or the 'homos are the spawn of Satan' letters weren't being sent out up here. Maybe they were only localized, in a similar vein to the Democrat Bush Special Olympics flyer. Vermont is certainly not a battleground state. Voter turnout was much higher than usual here, too, though, despite the lack of moral stirring.

Our local candidates came by but none of them said anything about any of these 'theological issues'.


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