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Dec. 15th, 2004

They've arrested Nick Griffin for remarks against Islam... They've been holding members of Griffin's posse for five months without charges.

The lefties would say that it's America that has a first-amendment rights problem. People should look around; other 'civilized' countries don't even have the pretense of freedom of speech.

Let freedom ring! Hooray for America!

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peregrin8
Dec. 15th, 2004 03:55 pm (UTC)
Well, it's true that only America has first-amendment issues, but that's because we're the only ones with a first amendment. (Or, um, with that particular one anyway.) Realizing we have it good here and trying to make it better aren't mutually exclusive.
readherring
Dec. 15th, 2004 04:43 pm (UTC)
Let freedom ring! Hooray for America!

Just remember that we aren't the only 'civilized' country in the world with freedom of speech.

We are, however, the only country with the bell.
bxiie
Dec. 15th, 2004 04:52 pm (UTC)
Remind me again, which are the other countries where political or racially-sensitive speech is protected?
readherring
Dec. 16th, 2004 02:35 am (UTC)
Actually, to name one, the United Kingdom.

Freedom of speech is formally protected under the Human Rights Act of 1998. Previously, the right to free speech had been covered by de facto ruling.

Your buddy Griffin was arrested for violation of the Public Order Act of 1986. Basically for harrassment and trying to incite violence. We have similar laws in the U.S. If you start screaming 'fire' in a crowded theater, you're going to get a free ride in a police car. If I get caught talking earnestly about my plot to blow up George Bush's kneecaps, I will get hauled in. There's also laws against slander, libel, etc. that - depending on their use and interpretation - would violate free speech.

I think you'll find that just about every non-dictatoral, industrialized country has laws or rulings that cover and protect free speech. It's easy enough to write such laws. The tricky parts come from interpretation and ruling. (Jeez - I hope FilthyHippie reads this...) Which is why we need lawyers. And the ACLU. If we didn't have free speech violations in this country, the ACLU wouldn't exist.
(Anonymous)
Jan. 11th, 2005 04:10 pm (UTC)
i live to satisfy the hopes of read.

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timehole
Dec. 15th, 2004 05:20 pm (UTC)
I had to search the net for this one. Looks like the case against BNP is mostly due to the work of an TV journalist infiltrating Griffin's political party under deep cover. (BBC)
timehole
Dec. 15th, 2004 05:26 pm (UTC)
I couldn't resist posting this. I noticed BBC has country profiles. Here's the headline for ours:

"The US is the world's foremost economic and military power. It is also a major source of entertainment"
readherring
Dec. 16th, 2004 02:41 am (UTC)
This acknowledgement is an obvious sign that we've started supplying the BBC with "Desperate Housewives".
peregrin8
Dec. 17th, 2004 02:24 pm (UTC)
re: major source of entertainment
That's perfect. Notice they did not say "mostly harmless."
bxiie
Dec. 15th, 2004 07:10 pm (UTC)
Yes; incitement to racial divisions delivered via hidden video camera. Best not be making remarks to your mates; big brother may be watching.

FWIW, BNP seems very similar to the Nazi party during the beer-garden days. The assignment of British self-determination to Brussels coupled with the 'western civilization is the root of all evil and anything bad about any other society is a quaint custom to be celebrated' doesn't seem to be sitting well with everybody. A country with a history of football hooliganism and barely contained class rage seems ripe for this sort of nationalist party. The good news, of course, is that this would be focused eastward rather than towards us.
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